I doubt he could've done it completely on his own. Though this cut into the time they had (either on Earth or to stay fused), they both had something that Vegeta did not. Super Saiyan 3 (超 サイヤ人 三, Chō Saiya-jin San) is the strongest of all Super Saiyan forms in the manga and Dragon Ball Z anime. Alot of people say Vegeta was not able to go ssj3 because he didnt have training in the otherworld. We all know that new SSJ forms are difficult to transform/control at first, but after some training it turns easier. So basically (sorry for the long ramble there) Vegeta could have attained SS3, but he probably wanted to pass it. First off Vegeta was an ssj2 before he fought Goku and before Babidi "cursed" him. He hates the feeling that someone more powerful than him is out there, so he constantly tries to catch up to Goku's strength. Playing next. Android 19 then hits his earring and shoots Eye Lasers at Goku. Gotenks is similar to Goku's dead self in that fusions, like dead people, are much harder to kill. So basically, the only thing that Vegeta needs to transform into SSJ3 is a good amount of ki to perform and control the transformation, just look at Gotenks. and like every one said goku only was able to go ssj3 because his time in other world and check this out every time vegeta die he never got to keep his body.99.43.172.149 13:53, August 25, 2011 (UTC) BY vegeta jr, I just want to point out that Goku DID see Cell in his Super Perfect Form... Father-Son Kamehameha ring a bell? Vegeta and Gohan had no reason to train and then when GT came up they just let Goku fight every battle. His 50% chance for stuns is the reason why I left him on main rotation. Vegeta can turn into super saiyan 3 but why when he can turn into super saiyan 4........Bulma machine isnt the reason he changed.. all the machine did was compensate for his lack of a tail. Okay, so we've seen two beings ever achieve Super Saiyan 3, correct? SSJ is x50. Sandubadear (talk) 18:49, January 10, 2013 (UTC), Vegeta could totally do it, the boys did it in fused and the fusion of the boys in ss3 is about the same as ss2, if piccolo didn't distroy the space time room I think vegeta could have a chance, the other world training is a valid point but is useless because a 7 and 8 yr old goten and trunks could transform into ss3, if vegetas pride wasn't in the way him and his mustache could totally transform into SS3 an he would beat goku. Okay for one thing i want to piont this out even if he asked goku how to go ssj3 its not like he can just do it he needs to train and have something snap that power out of him cause if you just ask and turn into right after that then it would be to easy. 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In Dragon Ball: Raging Blast, Broly and Vegeta for the first time get their own Super Saiyan 3 forms (since Vegeta and Broly never achieved this form in the series). Vegeta will definitely go Super saiyan 3 in DBZ 2013 movie and Millions of DBZ favs will cum there pants, my prediction there gunna give his a cool new look like a red hue or glow along with the golden aurora an hair!! I may not be a huge Vegeta fan, but I believe it's possible, or maybe he just didn't WANT to. I've been telling people this a lot and've been studing it. ", "Both the Daizenshuu and the new Super Exciting Guide character profiles state that Vegeta was awakened to his Super Saiyan 2 form by means of extensive training in between the Cell and Buu arcs, which assures that Vegeta did indeed achieve this transformation through training." Browse more videos. Mystic: Gohan apparently skips everything after SS2 and reaches a level called "Mystic", although that may have just been an unofficial term, it was still the peak of his power and was not enough to defeat Buu. He knew this would happen." SSJ2 is x500. You can at least be stronger than a Super Saiyan 2 in a Super Saiyan 1 stage. Another is that it must have been very painful to actually achieve SSJ3 for both Goku and Gotenks, and both had some sort of supernatural life force abetting them, and yet it still cost them to sustain SSJ3 as they got used to it. The writter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm a major dbz fan, and I think that personlly it could go either way. Goku and Vegeta would both progress even further with their Super Saiyan Blue transformation combining godly energy with that of a Super Saiyan transformation. SSJ5 if it exists is x10,000. However, there is one Super Saiyan form that, canonically, the Saiyan Prince has never transformed into, bypassing it completely to reach higher levels of power: Super Saiyan 3. Back to the original topic of this thread, I also do not think it was possible for Vegeta to go SSJ3, mainly because of the aformentioned reason that Goku only learned it in Otherworld where he didn't have the restraints of a physical body. When he went ssj2 he needed a power boost and a drive(such as pure hatred and evil) from Babidi(he also made his heart PURE evil again), and once he attained the form with Babidi's help, he could attain the form at any time. ", the short answer is no. The reason why Vegeta did not attain the SSj 3 form means just 1 thing, he did not train enough after the Kid Buu saga, he now knew that he was inferior to Goku in terms of battle skill, and that makes sense.. if he had trained the way he did before (after the cell games or even after Frieza saga) he could have become a SSj 3 no doubt, maybe if Goku teleported him to the other world, vegeta could have attained it easily as he was perfect with ssj 2 form. Now looking at SSJ3 from otherworld, Vegeta probably took note of the IMMENSE power drain (so much that it borrowed against Goku's time on Earth) on a dead body (much less a living one). Vegeta goes Super Saiyan for the first time.mp4. I believe the levels of Super Saiyans make a Saiyan stronger, but I also believe that the previous forms can be improved upon and become more developed. Yeah vegeta probably couldnt have become ssj3 But, vegeta in early DBZ was very smart but when he became a SSJ he wasnt as smart. And he didn't ask how to turn into it, because he has his pride, and I don't think it would work. Come On Guys Lets Think Vegeta SS1 Pure Heart To Evil Goku SS1 Pure Heart To Good SS2 goku Pure Heart To Good SS2 Veget Was Under The Majin Spell Making Him Pure evil So Hejust Needs Tobe Pureley Evil For Him To Accend To SS3 NO MORE ARGUMENTS PLZ, Allso cant wait battle of the gods two SSG Vegeta Is Blue. but vegeta doesnt need to be evil to accend.he just has to have a good heart. The only form Vegeta (or any other Saiyan for that matter) could never reach is the Legendary Super Saiyan form. Goku had a hard time with this transformation. Super saiyan 4 Sorry, but I actually have not watched DBGT yet, i dont have any info on SS4. After all, Goku did it in Dragon Ball Super, and a couple of time in Dragon Ball Super, and it’s the same for Gotenks. The episode starts with Goku grabbing his chest. Dragonball GT Episode 59 Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta. Goku flie… Something to kick in the transformation, on SSJ3 is basically nothing, since it doesnt need an emotional. Gotenks Becomes Super Saiyan 3 For The First Time. Balanarahul (talk) 14:55, January 13, 2014 (UTC). When Gohan went Super Saiyan 2 in the tournament, Vegeta commented on how this form was weaker than when he fought Cell, and Gohan was only in Super Saiyan 1 at that point. Go to Qaaman's page to find out more on Youtube!!! But if you think about it, he did think back when Goku went ssj3 and was fighting Buu; said that Goku was indeed stronger, and that he wondered how he became so strong. This is why I believe Goku used his SSJ form to battle Bills after SSJG form's time ran out. Notably, it appears that this form can onl… Like most Saiyans, he possesses defined eyes with a near-consistently stern look to them and his hair is a shade of black. Goku had a really rough time in the SSJ3 form when he was alive again because he wasn't use to it in that aspect and it drained his power quicker and also put stress on his life force as well which he never had to compensate for in the otherworld since he was dead so he had no life force to worry about. His pure-hearted intentions are what drive him to push his limits and the limits of his Super Saiyan powers to new levels. (2 years after Frieza + 3 years for arrival of Androids + 7 years after Cell = 12 years) During that 12 years Goku fought ALOT and trained even more. Sous cette forme, le Saiyan utilise toute l'énergie qu'il possède. Besides, him seeing Goku go SSJ3 won't get him mad and turn SSJ3 himself, because he would have to train more to do it (SSJ3 doesn't come through intense anger like the previous two transformations). Playing next. If Toriyama shifted the focus of power to Vegeta, then he may have lost many readers in Japan. He was barely an identity, merely an amalgamation of two powerful children. he got his tail unlike with Vegetta. That's just what I think. He could have done it in the 10 year gap between Buu Saga and End of Z, because he claims that he and Goku would need a planet for a battlefield, but if he was stuck at SSJ2, Goku would domination him, but of course, Akira didn't really show it, so that's very unlikely. Vegeta Finally Ascends Into A Super Saiyan 4 For The First Time. Akira Toriyama stated in the Saikyō Jump's June 2014 interview that Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered up variants of Super Saiyan and that mastering Super Saiyan could increase its power beyond that of Super Saiyan 2 and 3 while draining less energy.This form of Super Saiyan is achievable by a Saiyan who has already obtained the Super Saiyan 2 form and then trains intensely. Gotenks could keep SS3 easier than Goku while alive because he is a fusion, and therefore more powerful. As for the matter at hand, I believe that by the end of Dragon Ball Z that Vegeta had a basic powerlevel higher than Goku's, but Goku always had the advantage of turning into Super Saiyan 3; it has been mentioned by several opinions here that in order to reach Super Saiyan 3, one needs motivation. Gotenks Becomes Super Saiyan 3 For The First Time. In GT he becomes super saiyan 4 and skips out 3. 1:20. SSJ has better balance of power, speed, strength and stamina. Android 20 explains that they know the healing powers of the Senzu Bean, and that they will not allow him the time he needs to heal. Vegeta just wanted to be the way he was before, a cold ruthless warrior living on strength alone uninhibeted by petty emotions. At the end of DBZ when Goku says that theres someone strong Bulma even says that Goku and Vegeta are the strongest and that no one can even challenge them. Vegeta turns super saiyan for the first time. Due to that limitation, I believe that Vegeta could reach Super Saiyan 3, albeit with a minimal chance of sucess of doing it... Vegeta - San Talk Contrib 18:42, April 6, 2010 (UTC), @SSJ4Lewich. That to me is a false statement because they're obviuosly forgeting about Gotenks who went ssj3 with the lack of actual training like Goku in the Otherworld. Ans unfortunately, this was a series that was heavily driven by fan opinion. :3, 16:52, September 21, 2012 (UTC)16:52, September 21, 2012 (UTC)16:52, September 21, 2012 (UTC)98.211.36.158tyree can i be a super saiyan. Browse more videos. RELATED: Dragon Ball Z: The Anime's 10 Most Hated Characters, Ranked After regaining control of the towering beast, Vegeta was able to transform into a Super Saiyan 4 instead, bypassing Super Saiyan 3, implying that any Super Saiyan could potentially transform into a Super Saiyan 4 through Bulma's device...if they managed to control their Golden Great Ape state. The rest of the series is vegeta trying to kill everyone by himself even though everyone says don't try it. 09:56, August 25, 2012 (UTC). vegeta reached points in his power way before goku did. mean know that goku could change in to a ssj3 he was still ready to fight him mean sometime in those 14 years vegeta went ssj3 but never had the change to use it and he also say you're training ubb to be earth next portecter but you have a diffent movtive. Vegeta may be cocky, but fighting-wise he isn't stupid (at least to me). Sadly, Vegeta was unable to replicate it, and in the Dragon Ball Super Series, the prince of Saiyans was seen moving from stage 2 to Super Saiyan God and then Blue without passing by the third stage. Secondly I want to say vegeta might have been able to if he the training goku had but he didn't. Si l'utilisateur est mort, comme Gokû lors de sa première utilisation, le corps est moins sujet à la fatigue et cette transformation peut être conservée plus longtemps. RELATED: Dragon Ball Super: Goku WILL Overpower Beerus - Here's How. he IS a super saiyan.just like goku.ive watched every episode of dbz and dbgt. TheDarkPrinceReturns! Then again maybe he needs different kinds of training. Click the button below to start this article in quick view. But maybe a few days of training, since is probably the most difficult transformation to control and mantain. One can say the same with vegeta. babidi did unlock sum of vegeta's 'evil' potential but it was not ss2. I've also heard debate the Super Majin Vegeta is essentially his equivalent of Super Saiyan 3, since he goes into Second Stage and then gets a power boost. (SuperSaiyan4BurstMode 14:30, October 26, 2009 (UTC)). He didnt have to for Ssj1 and 2. Ssj5vegeta 20:12, September 3, 2009 (UTC), I think the only reason Goku was able to generate that much energy in the first place was because he died. Through training, Super Saiyan 2 actually seems to be a more reliable, stable and more effective form. The reason is simple. He very rarely reaches the same strength as Goku at the same time Goku achieves it, and since Goku had JUST reached Super Saiyan 3 at the end of Z, I give Vegeta a couple months, a year at most, before he achieves it. They only see Goku transform to SSJ3 once and on a space of a few weeks, the 2 kids manage to transform to SSJ3 form. Dragon Ball GT saw Bulma develop a device that allowed Vegeta to transform into a Golden Great Ape, his Super Saiyan powers augmented by the primal rage of the Oozaru. When Goku fought Freeza and turned SS1 for the first time his power level was only around 15,000,000 (I think). and "Can a SS2 be stronger than an SS3? Vegeta did probably not acheive this form because had no body when dead. Toriyama must not have had much interest in making Vegeta SS3 because that would sort of take the wind away from Goku, where this is a series where Goku is the hero, Goku is in the spotlight. the series was alright but, poit is, vegeta could have reached ss3 because, as said in "GT" a saiyan's true form is a ssj4, so ssj3 could have been reached by vegeta :) also to correct a few people above about gotenks . 2:16. Vegeta is my second favorite character, but I just don't think he ccan transform. Playing next. However this is not enough to make Goku or Vegeta nervous or afraid of him so they could both probally beat him. By the way I hate when people try to say how smart vegeta is because the only time he is smarter is when yet first meet. DBZ---Gotenks-turns-Super-Saiyan-3-for-the-First-Time-HD. Afterwards, Vegeta ascends beyond the Super Saiyan level while training with Trunks from an alternate dimension in the Room of Spirit and Time (精神と時の部屋) and pummels the artificial life form Cell, who has absorbed Android 17. 6 years ago | 206 views. Gotenks also uses SS3 to fight an evoilved form of Buu and manages to fight him to pretty much a standstill. upheaval (SSJ, SSJ2 and maybe SSJ4 on Goku's case) or an external motivator (like the blutz machine for Vegeta's SSJ4). https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Super_saiyan_3_vegeta%3F?oldid=1359712. This added to Vegeta's motivation as to anger Goku, Vegeta killed all those people at the world tournament just to convince Goku to fight. If Vegeta was seen as a powerful being that had the potential to save the day, that could take away from Goku's image as the series hero. Other than that...they are more than capable, ESPECIALLY Vegeta. Report. Vegeta is yes indeed strong but I want to disagree with all of ya'll. So yeah he can do it. Oh and SSJ Gohan wasn't trying agisnt Cell, though Cell was only at 16% Max power. 10/10: Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks is a semi reliable unit due to his ability to eat damage but also deal it out in the 2nd and 3rd stage. The reasons that he did not on the anime can be; 1. When in the otherworld Goku had almost limitless energy due to not having the strain of a living body. I dont think that is able to be done unless your fused because if you train in super sayian 2 for along time you can not be stronger than you ss3 form because that form is what i believe 20times stronger than your last form and the more you train in your lower levels of SS the higher power you will have in your other forms, The reason Vegito was more powerful than a Ssj2 two was because it was two fighters fused together SSJ2 multiples a Saiyans base power by 100x and SSJ3 multiples a Saiyans base power by 400x. well,goku was the main reason he trained to ascend BUT what makes you think he couldnt go all the way? 5 years ago | 92 views. Yeah, thats the only reason goku went ssj3 and thats the only reason he's alive. Ki. Dance: Old Kai states flat out that dance creates a stronger fusion than the earings. I think vegeta could go to a super saiyan 3. Why would he ask Goku? He was smart, smarter than goku at first but then got too arrogant. (P.S. Super Saiyan 2, This is normally a LOT more powerful than a Super Saiyan 1. A lot of people on here don't think Vegeta can reach SSJ3 all because Goku did it in the otherworld which makes it impossible in the real world. Vol. Vegeta has always been promoted as being a genius fighter, including by Beerus himself. Lady’s Gigantification Quirk, Netflix's The Idhun Chronicles is Basically a Kylo Ren & Rey Love Story, One-Punch Man Reveals Tornado's Relationship to Blast. In other words, it's a full-powered Saiyan in its maximum potential, that's why it was easier for Goku to achieve and maintain Super Saiyan 3 while in Other World. Although Buu may have not been using his full power. actually vegeta never went ssj 3 in the dragonball series. Also, I heard somewhere that Akira Toriyama didn't do it because he started to dislike Vegeta, but I don't know if that's true. Vegeta could acheive it possibly if he was dead and had his body. Pierre Lea. The tail is a requisite for a saiyan for them to transcend to SSJ4. As far as i'm concerned the sayians were designed as a warrior race, with ever increasing power through training and near death experiences. There's a lot more to it than just SS1, SS2, SS3, SS4. Vegeta and Goku are very similiar, they both strive to make themselves better warriors. The best GIFs are on GIPHY. Krillin then throws him a Senzu Bean, and he eats it. If he was, then there wouldn't be any super SAYIAN transformations coming out of him.... Vegeta never went SSJ3 because when he died the second time he didnt have a body train in, thats why. . The producers just forgot to put him? Just thought that I should point this out, that the person that wrote this at the top is missing out on something; not to be mean, but Goku isn't a human. During the fight against Kid Buu, Vegeta also saw that Goku's living body couldn't handle the strain (literally leaving him with little to no ki), so he chose not to go SSJ3 (even though it would've helped a bit) because of this. Either Vegeta could do it and he didn't want to, or he simply couldn't. As anyone with a half a brain knows, it doesn't matter what anyone elses opinions are around the world, the Japanese are the ones who need to be kept happy for the series to be made. yes they are fused when they do it but vegeta is stronger then themi beleive(*edited* .. are you stupid ? And even, who knows if he do need the machine sometime in the future? Even without of that, he would still needs to be strong enough to achieve the SSJ2, the Majin phase was only a kick (like the destruction of Android 16 to Gohan) if he actually didnt achieve the SSJ2 form before that. Training in the otherworld just allowed Goku to reach SSJ3 quicker because his body there didn't get as stressed from all the training. While Goku was able to achieve this in a ritual with Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, and Pan, it was revealed that Vegeta had also achieved Super Saiyan God, … I do want to say that vegeta does tell goku something like no matter what he has done how hard he has trained goku is stronger than him blah blah blah. if u actually watch the babidi saga, u will see dat wen vegeta sees gohan fighting dabura, he notices dat gohan had become weak in the past 7 yrs and says dat if he fought dabura himself, then he wud of easily beaten him. Vegeta isn't even with Goku...Majin Vegeta is stronger than him barely and Goku is a good deal more powerful than Vegeta in his normal state. The reasons to why he didnt transform are various, so I dont need to quote them here; but this includes the fact that he didnt need it, that producers forgot or never though about it, or even if in the cirscunstances the SSJ2 form was always a better choice. Using the Dance technique Goten and Trunks fuse at their base levels and become Gotenks, who then becomes a SS1 and then , skipping 2, a SS3. the only reason why Vegeta reached ss4 is because the writer made a very predictable ending.Thought Both saiyans have an urge to fight, Goku puts his purposes to protecting the universe, Vegeta on the other hand .. he has no purpose anymore since he has settled down on Earth. Puis en juin 2012 c’est au tour de Gogeta de devenir un Super Saiyan 3. And without Goku around, Vegeta lost any reason left to train, and like Gohan became weaker and more mellowed. But when he was dead, he was able to sustain SSJ3 much easier, the only side effect being that it cut into the time he had left on Earth for his one day visit (which obviously wasn't a problem in Other World). Goku is stronger he just supresses himself when doing the Fusion Dance. Follow. 20:03, April 6, 2010 (UTC), yes they did fight while vegeta was in his majin form. It produces a ton of strain and is, to put it simply, an unbalanced form. He deals out alright damage in the 1st and 3rd fight due to type advantage. DBGT shows that his body can handle the transformation also (assuming that if he can handle SSJ4 he can handle SSJ3). Unless his Gene's wont allow it or whether you need to be pure good or bad, I Dont know although vegeta is a mix of good and bad and was still able to reach the first ssj form, If the manga or cartoons haven't stated anything about restrictions like this, I dont see why he couldn't keep increasing his power level. After all, he only transform into SSJ4 only a few times, maybe after some training, he could transform alone? And finnally Vegeta could go ssj3. Follow. I think he meant base form Gotenks,Anyway Vegeta.> so if I were you peepz we should all just accept the fact that Goku and Vegetta are even in terms of power.. Goku only manage to transform to his SSJ4 form bec. Still weaker than Goku, but much closer. Goku uses this form to fight Mahin Buu, later stating that he could have beaten MB but did not because he wanted the others to do it because he would not always be around to protect the Earth. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. Also after Goku died, it appears as though Vegeta lost enthusiasm to train and the desire to beat Goku simply because he was not there, and there was nothing to train for, however Goku was training in the other world, as thats all he lives to do  SSJ4 Lewich  talk  contribs  12:12, April 5, 2010 (UTC). DB is full of this small holes, one more is not a surprise! vegeta is garbage....several times he fight somebody he says im the prince of sayians and gets his ass kicked look at the broly movie took him like 20 seconds to get knocked out, First, Vegeta is capable to reach ss3 . He was in Otherworld for the 7 years after Cell and learned SSJ3, then he trained even more so he could use it with a body. Vegeta just wanted to be able to fight Goku and this was in his mind the best way to do it plus he wanted to fight without any inhibitations. Even if he did, he did not have the time to attempt to learn it before King Yemma brought him back to fight Buu. could goku even had accended without dying????? Goku revealed that he had discovered the form while training for seven years in the afterlife, granting him a significant boost over Super Saiyan 2. Each of the base SS forms has its weakness (energy cost), but this weaknes seems to be compensated for with time, as evidenced by the ease at which a Saiyan can transfrom into the next level and the ease at which they can hold it. No one has ever seemed to have a problem staying in SS2 form, so why not stick with that and train to become stronger than a SS3 without the disadvantages? I know that wasn't in the manga but :S Ultra Buugetto (talk) 15:07, June 30, 2013 (UTC), Vegeta could? The Super Saiyan transformation that Vegeta mentioned looked pretty different as it was a Great Ape with golden hair. he was already strong as it is, but he only needed the majin, in order to awake the evil within him so he cud fight goku without any weaknesses like emotions holding him back. It doesn't matter for Potara, but if Trunks suppressed for Goten it would make sense if Goku did for Vegeta, SupremeBooyah (talk) 18:29, October 16, 2012 (UTC). While Vegeta is one of the strongest characters in Dragon Ball, there is one Super Saiyan form that has always eluded him. Pride Gene's can only go SSJ, ASSJ, USSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ4. i dont think so vegeta fought to kill but goku fought to push his own limits so i dont think vegeta would be able to turn ssj3. 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